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    Hell and Damn

    Post by Zarayna on Sat May 28, 2011 9:30 pm

    1. While they aren't incredibly religious, they are meant to wish a horrible fate upon someone. Hell (NOT used as a swear word here), after all, is meant to be torture eternal, and the d-word is also meant to wish someone would go to "that place" -- neither is something I could ever wish upon another, unless that someone were as evil as Osama Bin Laden was.

    2. Teenagers shouldn't be using swear words; I've heard too much use in real life to be fine with it. Heck, I learned almost all the swear words there are to know while on a thirteen- to fifteen-year-old baseball team. The words are meant to be impolite, after all, and many teenagers don't seem to take them seriously. I'm not saying you don't -- you don't use them much, anyway -- I'm just saying what most teens are like.

    3. Swear words could drive other people away from the site. For all I know we could invite someone who's very anti-swear and end up losing him or her because of this site's (albeit relatively minor) tolerance. It is a possibility...

    These are Legolover-361's reasons for why he thinks damn and hell should be outlawed except for in the case of stories.

    My replies:

    1: Hence why if you tell someone to go to hell, or say "damn you", I'll delete the post and give you a warning for breaking the word filter rules.

    2: That's a moral debate, and is open to a lot of discussion. I for one disagree. It depends on the reasoning for the curse. I am kinda neutral on the matter. I approve of using a few curses (damn and hell), but not in certain ways, and not for certain reasons.

    3: I have been aware of that fact since I created this forum. Believe me, the word filter was a lot more lax back then, I've tightened it up a bit since.

    So I disagree with you on the first, I'm half and half on the second, and I'm with you on the third.

    That said, I'm going to make a discussion on this matter in announcements and polls; not a poll, I just want to see public opinion on this matter.

    Thanks for bringing this up.

    First off: This is not a poll to ban these. I am interested in finding out the public opinion of this; so post your thoughts.
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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Tyler Durden on Sat May 28, 2011 9:38 pm

    Just overreaction, really. They're just words, and as "curses" go, they're relatively minor. I use worse on a regular basis.

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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Epic Fail Guy on Sat May 28, 2011 10:37 pm

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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Specialist Skarloth on Sat May 28, 2011 11:02 pm

    Meh, I don't mind it that much. It's just the strong ones that I'd rather not see.

    I'm fine with the two you've allowed.

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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Dovydas the Nerevarine on Sun May 29, 2011 2:19 am

    What the three before me said.

    I disagree absolutely with all of LL's statements.

    Especially the third. If someone is intolerant of tolerance, well then I'm not going to tolerate them, either. I talk what I want, and while that doesn't mean I'll go so far as to use the f word constantly, if someone doesn't like what I say out of blatant personal taste, because that's what it is, well, hell, I don't care.

    Swearwords are just words. Words are just conjunctions of sounds that humans make to lie to each other more effectively.


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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Mesonak on Sun May 29, 2011 3:58 am

    At the risk of sounding redundant, I agree wholeheartedly with the above. I've always felt that overreaction over minor curses (BZP) is unnecessary.

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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Zarayna on Sun May 29, 2011 10:37 am

    Dovydas of Gulet wrote:What the three before me said.

    I disagree absolutely with all of LL's statements.

    Especially the third. If someone is intolerant of tolerance, well then I'm not going to tolerate them, either. I talk what I want, and while that doesn't mean I'll go so far as to use the f word constantly, if someone doesn't like what I say out of blatant personal taste, because that's what it is, well, hell, I don't care.

    Swearwords are just words. Words are just conjunctions of sounds that humans make to lie to each other more effectively.

    First off, Dovydas, if you break the word filter rules one more time, you'll be losing your mod status for a bit.

    Secondly, did you know that a combination of sounds can make extremely bad effects? For example, my brother is sitting about six feet away. IF I randomly started cursing him out, do you think it would have no effect?

    This post is a combination of twenty-six different types of shapes does that mean that it has no meaning?

    Next, intolerance is not something I want to advocate. I have friends who dislike swearing, and I have friends whose parent's would freak out over swearing. That said, respect for someone's tastes is needed.

    So again, I have only one thing to say to you. Oh shush. Razz
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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Dovydas the Nerevarine on Sun May 29, 2011 11:14 am

    Zar, you do realize that the fact that I don't want to say that word is exactly why I refer to it as such? Therefore, it's not technically speaking me trying to evade the word filter, because I didn't know any better analogy than, "I'm not going to run around dumping the word that Zar doesn't want me to say the first letter of because he's silly like that"

    Secondly, if you want public opinion on this, then your "oh shush" is hypocrisy at its best. I am stating my bleeding opinion, so if you "oh shush" it, dammit, you're essentially saying my opinion is not worthy of being stated. Well then heck, you're not worthy to be asking for it.

    And yes, I know that's not what you meant. Which is exactly why you shouldn't say "oh shush" to me now.


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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Zarayna on Sun May 29, 2011 12:27 pm

    First off Dovydas, saying "damn you/them" is an open violation of the no flaming rule. Telling someone to go to hell definitely counts.

    Secondly, you are being even bigger of a hypocrite, due to the countless times you say "shut up" to me. Razz

    (Also, oh shush, you)

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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Epic Fail Guy on Sun May 29, 2011 12:29 pm

    You shut your D*** mouth.


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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Zarayna on Sun May 29, 2011 12:31 pm

    lol.

    Weeeel, it isn't forbidden in referring to a particular part of my body. Due to my body not composing all of my being, I dun mind if you call my mouth damned. Razz

    ...Except for the fact that it isn't true, due to the fact that if it was...

    My mouth would be in hell, lol.

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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Epic Fail Guy on Sun May 29, 2011 12:35 pm

    ...


    I'm not sure whether I should go with this as it opens more options, or voice my disappoint and opinion that what you just said was stupid as all hell, and contradictory to your previous stance on the subject. Make up your damn mind.
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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Zarayna on Sun May 29, 2011 12:37 pm

    I said that telling someone to go to hell breaks both the word filter and the no flaming rules. And my reply, in case you hadn't noticed, was mostly joking. Wink

    so jokes aside, no, I would prefer that you don't use it that way, even though it slips in through a loophole in the rules.

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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Epic Fail Guy on Sun May 29, 2011 12:40 pm

    No actually I wanted to see if you'd get *censored* off or not.


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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Zarayna on Sun May 29, 2011 12:42 pm

    Why?I enjoy talking/typing, especially when my mind has been enhanced by the fact that I've been spending the past few days in nothing but debates. Razz

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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Legolover-361 on Sun May 29, 2011 12:58 pm

    Mesonak wrote:At the risk of sounding redundant, I agree wholeheartedly with the above. I've always felt that overreaction over minor curses (BZP) is unnecessary.

    -Mesonak

    But BZPower is for kids of all ages. That includes tweens, pre-teens, even eight- and nine-year-old kids. Heck, Bionicle is partially aimed at kids eight to nine; some of the sets are aimed at kids age six. Thus, blocking all swear words is necessary to allow kids of all ages to join the forums.

    That being said, I understand why people think I'm overreacting about this. The thing is, I was brought up to think swear words are bad and impolite, which they are. Dovydas, they may just be words, but words are meant to carry meanings, and in the case of swear words those meanings are impolite indeed. In addition, saying people should be tolerant of swearing is like saying they should be tolerant of impoliteness -- which, in my opinion at least, they shouldn't be.

    It's obvious my complaint is still going to be marked as "overreacting", but I still wanted to get it out there.


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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Epic Fail Guy on Sun May 29, 2011 3:19 pm

    They're intensifiers nowadays, that's how I see it.

    Hell, most of the time I use them it's in a fairly neutral or even positive statement.
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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Zarayna on Sun May 29, 2011 4:46 pm

    LL, I am of that belief, BUT.

    I don't think that damn and hell, unless misused, are rude and vulgar.

    I mean really, if darn and heck are accepted, then these are perfectly fine. They mean the same. Only difference is they aren't hiding be3hind a wimpy "polite" name.

    Yes, I cannot begin to express my contempt for those two. Razz

    That said, I don't think you're overreacting, LL. I was raised the same way, BUT.

    When I start dissecting curses to see their meaning, I have started viewing damn and hell okay in some ways, but if misused, they can be pretty bad.

    Oh, yeah, I have weird views about curses. You can use the f word, the s word, the p words, etc, but if I hear someone saying on my God frivolously...

    Yes, I take the second commandment quite literally. Wink

    Currently though, I'm undecided. I don't want to outlaw these two words, but I do see your reasons...
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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Dovydas the Nerevarine on Mon May 30, 2011 6:44 am

    Zarayna wrote:First off Dovydas, saying "damn you/them" is an open violation of the no flaming rule. Telling someone to go to hell definitely counts.

    Secondly, you are being even bigger of a hypocrite, due to the countless times you say "shut up" to me. Razz

    (Also, oh shush, you)
    And you're wrong, because you don't get the point AT ALL.

    In those cases, I don't care about your opinion.

    In this case, you apparently care about mine. Or you don't, in what case you are discriminating against me because this topic is meant to find out public opinion. If you don't, well, that's why you're a hypocrite.

    As to your first point, why the hell are you telling me this? I didn't flame anyone yet.


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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Zarayna on Mon May 30, 2011 9:51 am

    Yes you did. You flamed the people who can't stand damn and hell being used.
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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Dovydas the Nerevarine on Mon May 30, 2011 10:29 am

    I flamed the people who aren't tolerant of what I do.

    Not being tolerant of something is pretty much the definition of flaming to begin with.


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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Zarayna on Mon May 30, 2011 10:55 am

    Nope. It's their personal opinion on swearing. And you were totally intolerant of that.

    Who is this 'them' we're talking about, anyway?
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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Legolover-361 on Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:56 pm

    I know this is probably long over, but I'd just like to say that I never intended for the words to be completely banned, just that they should only be allowed in stories -- after all, while teenagers shouldn't use swear words, that doesn't mean they shouldn't write about characters who do use them (as long as those words are acceptable under the filter, of course).


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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Zarayna on Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:07 pm

    These are Legolover-361's reasons for why he thinks damn and hell should be outlawed except for in the case of stories.

    I think I beat you to saying that. Razz
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    Re: Hell and Damn

    Post by Legolover-361 on Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:08 pm

    Zarayna wrote:
    These are Legolover-361's reasons for why he thinks damn and hell should be outlawed except for in the case of stories.

    I think I beat you to saying that. Razz

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