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    On the subject of Homosexuality

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    On the subject of Homosexuality

    Post by Specialist Skarloth on Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:58 am

    Hello there, dear readers. Today I would like to-

    ... you know what, screw that. I'm just gonna get down to business.

    I posted this topic to make sense. And in MY EYES, and MY EYES ALONE, this is the truth. If you don't accept this because 'OH BUT SKARLOTH, SCIENCE DOESN'T WORK THAT WAAAAY', then please, get out of my topic. I'd like to see you make a good argument against mine, that doesn't insult me or my beliefs in any way. As I said before, I made this to make sense, not to be bashed around by a couple of kids poking around on the internet.

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    We all know what a Homosexual is, and Wikipedia can explain it here; (because I'm too effing lazy to type it myself, and it'd just be awkward)

    "Homosexuality is romantic or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the same sex or gender. As a sexual orientation, homosexuality refers to "an enduring pattern of or disposition to experience sexual, affectionate, or romantic attractions" primarily or exclusively to people of the same sex; "it also refers to an individual's sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions, behaviors expressing them, and membership in a community of others who share them.""

    Now that we all understand what a 'Homosexual' is, I'd like to share my PERSONAL thoughts on how this can be.

    First off, it's not genetic. Secondly, it's no choice of life. People don't just 'choose' to be attracted to the same sex. Let's say for one minute, just one minute, that people aren't just the brains stored away in their heads.

    Let's say that they're... a spirit, a form of energy that gives life to the body. We're going to call this form of energy a Thetan. These Thetans (beings, essentially. When a body dies, the Thetan leaves, either seeking another one, or perhaps lingering on wherever it died, body-less.) are immortal, they are incapable of dying, and basically, they are you. (Again, you don't have to believe this 'nonsense'.)

    Thetans drive the bodies, and when these bodies die, they find a new one quickly, and are reborn into the world. However, one would ask why nobody remembers living past lives, perhaps sailing with pirates long ago, or walking down the streets in 1944. Well, the simple answer is this; long ago, Thetans used to be free, free of bodies and free of this... trap that they all seem to be stuck in. But at some point in time, we were degraded, and eventually began to possess bodies (some even to the point of living in an animal body).

    What the heck does this have to do with Homosexuality, you say? Well, think about it. Say you steal a cookie from the jar when your mom says explicitly to your face that you cannot have any. Well, obviously, you don't want to get in trouble, so you don't say anything about it. Days roll on, and eventually, your mom allows people to have cookies again. But trust me, you won't go near those things. It's called a 'missed withhold', you withheld the information about eating the cookie, and now, you cannot confront the cookies, and you especially can't confront your mother and the cookies. (Silly context, but it makes sense for now)

    This is pretty natural, you won't be able to confront anything to do with the subject, so you avoid it with all costs. (Maybe you're afraid you'll be caught, or found out by your mom, or perhaps you just feel bad about stealing the cookie.) Withholds can be applied to any scale, and to anything.

    Now is where it gets interesting. Say you were a guy 'last lifetime' (again, you don't have to believe this!), a criminal, maybe even a murderer. Obviously, if you killed someone, you would have a fairly large withhold on that guy (not to mention his family). Now let's apply this again, but in a more... sexual way. (... okay, that sounded wrong, I know.)

    Yes, I'm talking about very horrible topics, such as rape, and other forms of... well, sexual abuse. I'm not going into any more details, you already have a good enough idea in your head. Yet another withhold; this time, on a different level though, a sexual one. You're caught by the police, and sentenced to life in prison/execution, and when you eventually die, you obviously move on.

    Say this goes on for a few lifetimes, maybe several... perhaps you're not always a criminal, but maybe you go down that path enough times for some very, very serious withholds to build up. Say you're born a male one lifetime, and the withholds have simply reached their limit; you can no longer confront the opposite sex on a... sexual level. Perhaps not at all. You become attracted to the same sex, as your brain is forcing you to find some way to reproduce. (Over such a long time, the Thetans have become so degraded that their brains have quite a bit of control over them, instead of vice verse)

    That is my explanation for the dilemma. Adieu.

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    If you took the time to read this, and didn't bail halfway through due to 'spirits' and 'all that crap', then thank you for taking the time to think over my explanation. I've said this once, and I'll say this again, you don't have to believe this, but I'm saying that I do. What's true for you, is true for you.

    *Leans back in his chair, massaging his fingers*

    -Skar


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    Re: On the subject of Homosexuality

    Post by Zarayna on Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:45 pm

    I disagree with the sentiment of spirit being energy. Spirit by technical definition is intellectual substance, containing no material components.

    However, your preposition of energy beings (As a matter of dogmatic principle, I shall not call them spirits) possessing bodies and being their mind is highly erroneous on this point: The energy being would have the memories of their past life, as you say. The error? They would have the memories of their past life, which is something no one has.

    My belief is simple: each of us is a separate being, not a energy possessed animal body. We enter the world at conception, and leave it at death. It is here that we must be in disagreement then.

    In my opinion, homosexuality is a disordered love, by which a person sexualizes their attraction to people of like gender. I agree that it is not a 'choice' in the sense that uncoerced choice is highly unlikely to produce it. Like all mental disorders, it's an imposed attribute, and one can either fight it, or surrender to it.


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    Re: On the subject of Homosexuality

    Post by Specialist Skarloth on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:57 pm

    Zarayna wrote:I disagree with the sentiment of spirit being energy. Spirit by technical definition is intellectual substance, containing no material components.

    However, your preposition of energy beings (As a matter of dogmatic principle, I shall not call them spirits) possessing bodies and being their mind is highly erroneous on this point: The energy being would have the memories of their past life, as you say. The error? They would have the memories of their past life, which is something no one has.

    My belief is simple: each of us is a separate being, not a energy possessed animal body. We enter the world at conception, and leave it at death. It is here that we must be in disagreement then.

    In my opinion, homosexuality is a disordered love, by which a person sexualizes their attraction to people of like gender. I agree that it is not a 'choice' in the sense that uncoerced choice is highly unlikely to produce it. Like all mental disorders, it's an imposed attribute, and one can either fight it, or surrender to it.

    No, you misunderstand. It is (or rather, we are) a form of energy, and that energy is life itself. Our memories have been clouded by ages and ages of degradation, Zar, which is why no one recalls the timeline of the past.

    No matter. Everyone 'believes' what they want to. Nothing can be proven until it's seen, though. I've stated my opinion, and I don't need to do it twice.

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    Re: On the subject of Homosexuality

    Post by Zarayna on Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:06 am

    Can you prove beyond theory that your thesis is true? If not, it is pure man made theory, not grounded in reality.


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    Re: On the subject of Homosexuality

    Post by Specialist Skarloth on Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:11 pm

    Zarayna wrote:Can you prove beyond theory that your thesis is true? If not, it is pure man made theory, not grounded in reality.

    It has been proven, Zar. You simply need to look in the right places to find these results.

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    Re: On the subject of Homosexuality

    Post by Zarayna on Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:34 pm

    That is not an answer. At least, it is not an answer backed up by fact. Present, if you will, these facts that you say have proven it.


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    Re: On the subject of Homosexuality

    Post by Legolover-361 on Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:00 pm

    INB4 SPAWN GOES LIBERAL ON Y'ALL

    Now, I don't agree on the philosophy behind your reasoning, but providing the philosophy is true, this would make a good explanation. The problem? I don't believe what you believe, and so I should be out of this topic by all rights, but hey, it's the debate forum. Razz

    Going by what I've heard in science, homosexuality is generally stimulated during childhood development. Some combination of factors results in a twisting of sexual attraction to members of the same gender during puberty. This may have partial genetic roots. Many homosexuals claim they cannot change their feelings; others claim they made a choice, and I tend to believe the latter possibility is true.


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